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Re: The Rules - What I was Looking For



Rules should only be included if they achieve something useful.
 
The size limit should be scrapped because we all know that big mice are not competitive.
 
The wall contact rule should be scrapped because it is not measurable or enforceable, nor could a maze be built to the specification.  All the old hands know the toughest maze is the one with two pins in the bottom of each wall segment and this would easily outlast even the roughest mouse.  I don't think we should have a rule just because we keep building weedy mazes.
 
If you don't like mice using the walls for deceleration purposes then insert that it is not allowed and that the judges will disqualify anyone they suspect of using the walls in this way.  I think it would be obvious and the whole point of Judges is for them to make judgements!
 
On a less serious note, much as I drool over Dave Ottens mice, the most entertaining mice are the ones that damage the maze!  And I don't think I have ever known one to be disqualified for doing it!!
 
Nick
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 9:31 AM
Subject: Re: The Rules - What I was Looking For

Hi Everyone,

        Sorry Nick, It was not my intention to discourage your entries. To quote my earlier posting: "I prefer something along the lines of "the micromouse must fit in a box 25cm square" to avoid arguments about mice like Michael Shumouser that has one horizontal distance of more than 25cm." The point being that a 25cm box has a diagonal of over 35cm and Michael Shumouser should fit. As "no-one complained", I put in this relaxation of the rules!

        I don't want people "not to comment on the rules". The whole point is that everyone should comment to try and get a consensus.

        The problem with wall contact is that some mice, currently wall-followers but possibly maze solvers in the future, use the walls for braking purposes. The apparent limit on performance is how hard you hit the wall. This then comes down to the judges deciding, on the day, whether the fastest mouse might cause damage to the maze. The only realistic test on the current rules is to run it on the particular maze and see what happens. Smashing a maze to determine if it is strong enough on the day of the competition doesn't seem to be the best way of resolving the issue. I am looking for an objective test that can be carried out by the competitor before the competition. As long as this test allows moderate wall contact, such as Sterling Mouse or my own DOT, there is no problem and mouse builders can use wall braking up to the known limit.

        I agree that the rule set should encourage entry rather than discourage it. By having a well-specified problem, mouse builders are more likely to succeed. I have seen mice turn up for competition incapable of dealing with the real maze for many different reasons. Usually they do not come back the next year. I would prefer it if the problem was not caused by the rules not specifying the problem well.

        Regards,

        Duncan
 
At 21:26 26/10/04, you wrote:
I have been trying not to comment on the rules but my jaw is starting to ache from gritting my teeth!
 
The first rule should be that the Judges will encourage all mice to be displayed and run on the maze at least once regardless of their size or ability.
 
The maze should be as strong as possible so that errant mice have some chance of showing their ability.  Mice should only be removed from the maze if the judges think they will actually damage the maze to the detriment of other competitors.
 
Sterling Mouse sensors run on the top of the walls.  Loose walls fall over and need to be replaced before Sterling gets back to them.  There may not be time or they may be difficult to reach.
 
Michael Shumouser is probably too big to fit in a 25cm box.  I protest!  I also think it is faulty logic to include rules "because no-one has complained".  Surely rules should only be included if there is a good reason?  Compatibility is faulty logic.  If you drop the rule then all the mice in the world (including mine) can be run in the UK, including Japanese mice.  The rule simply excludes some mice from running in the UK and discourages some new competitors.
 
The rules should be written to encourage people to have a go, not exclude people from trying.
 
I may be getting paranoid, but it seems to me the rules are being designed to stop my mice getting to the middle - assuming they are allowed on to the maze in the first place!
 
I know when I am not wanted.  How many other potential competitors feel the same?
 
Nick